European Trilogue "compromise" on gun law accepted

[Fyodor]

Today is a very black day for freedom of the European people.

The "compromise" of the "Trilogue" has been accepted in total, no change proposals have been discussed or voted on.

Short explanation on how laws are made in the EU:
We have a threefold division of power, the EU-Parliament, the EU-Council and the EU-Commission. The EU-Parliament is the only of these, that is elected by the people. The EU-Council comprises the ministers of the member states, and is somewhat second hand democratially legit. The EU-Commission is not elected by anyone. The EU-Commission is the only one of the three powers that is allowed to propose new laws. Council and Parliament then need to lecture and discuss these proposals and implement changes when necessary.

In reality, all three powers send representatives to an informal "Trilogue", where they usually agree on the proposal of the Commission, because the Commission will not accept changes, and threatens to revoke the proposal in total when not agreed upon unchanged, so Parliament and Council will have to justify before the people why they did not do anything at all.

Heavy and exhausting lobbying was done this time by the people and a newly formed "Firearms United" group to revoke the whole thing. Some of the worst parts actually could get changed, but it still is a huge mess, impractical, unrealistic, totally not necessary and a child of blind ideology without the slightest common sense.

The worst parts that we got out:

• total ban on guns that "look like military guns or share technical features of military guns"
• firearms licence limited to 5 years, with the same tests and documents for every extension than for application in the first place
• mandatory phsycological and medical tests for application or extension of licences

What's still in:

• member states can implement medical and psychologial tests
• magazine limit on 10 rounds on long guns, 20 rounds on short guns
• possession or buying of magazines above this limit is free as long as you don't have a gun it fits into
• possession or buying of magazines above this limit is a felony when you possess a gun it fits into
• using a magazine above this limit makes the gun a restricted "weapon of war"
• member states can give licences to sport shooters for possessing and using larger magazines (but most likely won't do)
• it is not clear what happens with blocked magazines, e.g. a 30 rd AR15 mag limited to 10 rounds for easier handling
• this is not limited to autoloaders, and makes the 1860 Henry rifle a restricted "weapon of war"
• muzzleloading guns which have been free will be registered and require a licence
• ... many more useless and senseless attacks on freedom and liberty

And worst of all: The EU is not even responsible for safety laws, ONLY for trade laws. They argue, that a gun that is prohibited in all member states is easier to trade, because the rules are the same everywhere.

And we still got some more gun law changes in the pipeline, at least two on EU level and three in Germany.

And ask for "safeness"

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[Poppop]

How do we keep NJ, NY MASS & CALIF from reading these rules. I don't know why the EU even exists. Most of it's member nations do not have the same culture as the other members. Therefore most of their needs are never met. To me it sounds similar to what the Soviet Bloc was.
You guys should follow Britian"s lead and get out while you can. Another generation or two and the citizens won't know what individual freedom is.
In the meantime enjoy your guns, it"s a great diversion.

[RBHarter]

Sounds very familiar . Sounds a lot like California .
Make the process so expensive and intimidating that people stop doing it is just as good as outlawing it all.

[Ranch Dog]

Yeah, the EU sounds exactly like the Soviet Block. Any effort to exit the EU?

[Ranch Dog]

And, I really hate hearing this for your sake.

[Fyodor]

I don't know why the EU even exists. Most of it's member nations do not have the same culture as the other members.

It was originally called "European Trade Community" and was actually a good thing. We got rid of all the toll houses on the roads (Driving 1000 km without crossing a border is nearly impossible in Europe), toll and customs was gotten rid of or simplified. That was good.

But we have over 700 members of parliament, a council and the commission, which all want to get paid. So they find things to do. They already decided which light bulbs we can use, how much energy a toaster might consume, or a vacuum cleaner. They put their hands on more and more things they are not responsible for, because their actual field of regulation is already done.

So there are a few similarities to the soviet bock... we still don't have a wall built around us, but who knows when that will happen. Today it already is easier to go into the EU illegally than to leave it legally.

I don't see any future here for me in middle to long terms. If I wanted to live in an oppressive socialist country, I would move to North Korea. Yesterday I checked for companies near my place that offer jobs at least part time in the US. I'm not totally happy in my current job anyway.

What really drives me crazy is that we already had two socialist dictatorships in Germany alone during the last 100 years. It's like: If this poison was deadly a hundred times, we just didn't try it often enough? How can people forget so fast?

[Ranch Dog]

You could always go on a vacation to Texas and never leave. There are 2 million illegal immigrants in our State so I suppose it is quite easy to buy all the documentation you need to stay here and be able to go to work. The only downside is that the Social Security removed from your paycheck will go off into LaLa Land with the fake number you have. The upside is that system will not be available at your retirement anyway as it has failed.

[Fyodor]

A friend of mine lived in the US for over ten years as an illegal. He went to work normally, had a drivers licence and a social security card. Wasn't too hard to get all that, he told me.

I'd like to move to the US, but not as an illegal. I know it's not very difficult, but it just isn't right.

[larryw]

Howdy Fyodor, I for one say come on over. I can't think of what it could be but, if my wife & I
could be of any help just say the word.

[Ohio3Wheels]

The old unintended result of maybe a good thing. This what happens when a country "willingly"gives up its sovereignty to a "common" entity and should be an object lesson to all.

And speaking of giving up our sovereignty there's that nasty little UN small arms treaty that's being considered right now. I quite frankly can think of nothing good that has come out of that organization an it's past time for we in the US to tell them to stick it.

Off soap box!

Make moke,